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Why WoW has yet to be beaten, And why it will be.

Category: Default Game: World of Warcraft Posted on Nov 28, 2008 12:03 pm


 Now many of the blogs here have been about people putting in there 2 cents about what the next WoW killer will be and it is usually failed speculation. This may in fact be another one of those Blogs, but im going to attempt to address things a bit differently from what ive seen on this site before.

 The new big upcoming mmo that everyone is talking about is Aion. Im about to tell you why Aion has the best chance of all the other mmo's to finally take down WoW. But first lets review a little about what has already happened. Before there was WoW, the biggest games out there were ncsofts lineage 1 and 2. Ive seen statistics that place both games at having around 4 million subscribers each. That was an amazing achievement considering most mmo's were considered a success if they had 100k players. Before blizzard created WoW they had already been laying the foundation for there foray into the mmo market by creating a very solid reputation among gamers for making excellent games. Most of us fondly recall our days playing starcraft, Diablo 2(or maybe even 1), and the warcraft series. They took an already popular license in the warcraft franchise, and built WoW on it. WoW was a mixture of all the things that had been proven succesful in other games and built on them. What it lacked in inovation it made up for in tried and true game desighn.

 WoW Introduced players who had never played them before, the mmorpg. But for me, i found the game to be too cartoony(reminded me of the 80's disney cartoon:the gummi bears) and too much like what i had already experienced in previous mmo's which by this point i had grown tired of (grinding, waiting in line to quest, underpowered classes that didnt stand much chance in pvp, Gear based grind after max level grind to remain competitive. Kill x number of mob quests, narrowly focused class roles in groups). Despite all this WoW has been king of the hill in mmo's for years now with over 10 million players.

 However behind the scenes at blizzard just before WoW's release, there was much discontent and jumping ship going on behind the scenes. Many of blizzards best and brightest where chafing at the direction the company had decided to go with the creation of WoW. They wanted to do something different. They wanted to inovate. And so 2 groups of Blizzard employees left blizzard to work on there own projects. One of the groups created Hellgate:london, which unfortunatly is now doomed to close and wasnt as succesful as they had hoped it would be.

 The other group went on to form Arenanet, which released Guild Wars. Guild Wars had none of the previous problems that i didnt care for in most other mmo's, was made to run on low end systems, and had NO SUBSCRIPTION FEES!!! Now the game had nice looking graphics, and the most balanced pvp ever found in any mmo to date, and storyline driven quests. But its detractors have pointed to its being an entirely instanced game and resulting lack of immersion as a reason to prefer other games(usually WoW). Despite this Guild wars has over 5 million players making it just about the closest any game has come to aproaching WoW. Not bad for a new company with a completly fresh intelectual property and no previous fans from other games to come in.

 More recently we have seen Age of Conan promise to be a WoW killer and fail miserably. Honestly i kind of figured this game wasnt going to do so well when i first saw it. It was way to hardware intensive to the point of rediculousness. Of course anyone running a brand new expensive radeon card and couldnt get more than 10 fps on an expensive($5k usd) dual core system need look no further than the sponsored by nividia logo on the games box to see what this game was all about. That and the graphics were good but not good enough to justify the insane video specifications. On top of that there wasnt nearly enough content to justify a 30 gigabyte client for an mmo. The lesson that should have been learned here is: You will never beat WoW with a game that requires a supercomputer to run.

 Next we have Warhammer online. Now ill admit i like this game. But lets be honest about this right off the bat. This game while in my opinion has the potential to be better than wow. Its basically just the same engine in a slightly different skin. It looks better and has more of a pvp focus and a better comunity, but it is in most other respects just like WoW. Sadly this game also seems to be faultering as of this point. I wouldnt say WAR is a faliar, but i dont see it killing WoW anytime soon. Lesson learned: Your not going to beat WoW by being like WoW. People have Wow for that.

 And now we have Aion. Now here is where it gets interesting and i have hope. Now as i had mentioned GW earlier on i bring it up here because they are planning a sequal to it. GW2 is coming and it promises to be everything we loved in GW but also addresses what its critics have complained about. This time its going to be a persistant world with different races and open world pvp complete with territory/resource control. All of this and still NO SUBSCRIPTION FEE.

 Now your probably thinking "what the hell does this have to do with Aion?"  You see Guild Wars is also published by ncsoft as will be GW2. Ncsoft knows already about gw2 and it having no monthly fee's. Now from a company's perspective on making money why would you release a game in competition with another one of your games when there is so much incentive for people to play the less expensive game? I suspect that it is because ncsoft has that much faith in aion being just that good that even given the choice of playing a likely to be excellent game, they believe people who have the money will feel it will be worth it to them to play aion.

 There has been an information blackout for some time on GW2 despite that it is to be released in 2009 not long after Aion. This is a calculated move on there part to wow everyone with Aion first before people start hearing about GW2. Otherwise people would just hold off to play GW2 without giving Aion a chance. Remember this is ncsoft, they arent new to the mmo market. They have released many succesful games and before there was WoW, lineage 1 and 2 had its throne. It is for all these reasons that i believe that aion has the best chance of any of the games to at least come close to taking a large bite out of WoW. And if they dont, i suspect GW2 will. Im looking forward to both of them.

comments ( 61 )

PinothyJ
Post Time : Dec 26,2008 1:16 am

"and the most balanced pvp ever found in any mmo to date" I beg to differ. I'm still playing Shadowbane because I have never played a game that comes close ot it's pvp…

Guest
Post Time : Dec 07,2008 9:34 am

1th Runescape can't beat no game at all no point in getting started with it and i know you know they got the worst graphics ever

2th maplestory was good till the Gm leaved and ppl hacked for like 3months i still think it sucks

3thAion have a chance of beating Wow and if it do fails then there will be Blade and Soul and Wow is P2P too so how about you stay to p2p game everyone know that p2p games beats free but only some free games killed p2p taking a P2p game vs a Free one hmmm i guess who will win *Cough* *Cough* that is mainly like have a fly fighting a spider.... So main point When you talk about P2P games don't give example that is different

jud9e
Post Time : Dec 06,2008 3:34 pm

i hope it will die sooner or later because then i can do other things....... lol

TatBrother
Post Time : Dec 06,2008 12:14 am

hey guys can anyone tell me what other games are better than WoW. I know You guys are going to say AION. I haven't play that yet since it is still on beta and it's going to be p2p. And I still do not know what is AION's potential to overthrow WoW

I have played WoW, honestly the game is just amazing. Especially for the ones who play or diehard of the Warcaft series or blizzard products. And I know, I also played many mmos mostly free ones, some are good but doesn't meet the standards to be the best mmo

For example can Maplestory beat WoW??

                        Can Runescape beat WoW??

                        Can Cabal beat WoW? Can Rappelz beat WoW? And the list goes long

Nailzzz replied at 1:32 pm Dec 14,2008
Out of the games you mentioned i would say cabal is surprisingly good once you get used to the controls. Might want to check out Guild Wars. Its not entirly free but it has gotten pretty inexpensive as of late. You just buy it once and then its free forever. You can buy the first 3 Gw games for $50 now in the form of the Guild Wars trilogy. Then all you need is the Eye of the Nother expansion for $40 more. It is one of the best games out there, especially in terms of its pvp.
Guest
Post Time : Dec 02,2008 6:27 pm

Reading the title and the comments bored the hell out of me... Back to the title Wow should just give their throne to another game they making there player in to zombies going to all the games and saying "Wow Clone" they are going to take dumb to a whole new level.  And yes i tryed Wow before my friend let me play his acc but i quited and give it back in 3 days TO ME its not very good.

Nailzzz replied at 7:59 pm Dec 02,2008
Personally im grateful to WoW. It is the baseline by which to measure how good an mmo is. I see WoW as maybe a B-/C+ kinda game. But since it is the game to beat currently it means that developers will try that much harder to beat it. Hopefully it will lead to an overall better quality in future mmo's.
Guest
Post Time : Dec 02,2008 4:04 pm

 AION kicked WOW's ass in Korea !! WOOT!!!

naridas
Post Time : Dec 02,2008 10:07 am

 wow so many comments and interesting, took quite sometime to read all of it lol.  but its funny some people believe that wow will be purged from the world (well thats what got from some of the comments) thats impossible i believe since it will just become old skool like good old snes (chrno trigger got remade yeah!).  me personally i dont really hate wow or like it (how swedish).  but i believe we all should thank wow for some its great deeds i mean it did give a lot of publicity for mmos, like i didnt know much about mmos until wow came and started looking them up through the internet.  which gave big advancement in mmos since it gained a big profit and other companys probably wanted some of the pie if u know wat i mean, due to this it set up a big trend in mmos and if  anybody knows economics or has any common sense u should know wat happens.  all of u should care more about the advancement mmos isnt that the reason u play mmos (well thats my reason i dont know about u).

Nailzzz replied at 7:55 pm Dec 02,2008
You bring up a good point. But part of the problem i see is that alot of good games that have come out since arent being recognized as such because of alot of people's fixation on WoW. I understand that after spending years on WoW and investing time and money into the game and there charachters, they are reluctant to leave it or even look at other games. I just think that it has gotten to the point where WoW is possibly holding back mmo advancement. WoW has been good at integrating other features from other games into itself, but as far as advancements in gameplay, i believe it has reached its limits. It isnt the fault of the game itself, it is just that eventually game engines will get obsolete. I dont see WoW as in that position quite yet, but i think Aion will begin to show the first chink in that armour. If Aion proves to be a success then WoW will be unable to add what makes Aion successful into itself.
Invasion
Post Time : Dec 02,2008 6:43 am

Most mmorpgs didnt have the kind of lore and previous successes that Warcraft has. Warcraft 3 and The Frozen Throne were a major success and brought Warcraft under the limelight, as well as raising awareness of the game lore. Its success did WoW a great favor by raising consumer confidence and optimism in Blizzard's line of Warcraft products, to such an extent that they were assured Blizzard's future games will turn out with he same effect. Furthermore Blizzard has a reputation for producing excellent award winning games. This ensured that a very large number of people will try the game and upon its release, WoW offered groundbreaking playability along with amazingly immersive gameplay. All this came at a time where people would easily convert and get hooked to the game, long enough to not want to stop and waste their effort and money spent by going over to other potentially better games. Even with offerings like Warhammer, was not enticing enough to claim much of the already-contented players. NCsoft loses out to Blizzard in terms of reputation, and Aion is not backed by any lore or similar previous titles. Couple that with significantly higher system requirements, is enough to convince me that Aion will not be able to overtake WoW. As for the case of GW2, I believe that most of the players will be GW immigrants, and its release might just in fact saturate NCsoft's set of customers, affecting its individual titles' profitability and player count. 

Nailzzz replied at 9:17 am Dec 02,2008
A worse case scenario for ncsoft which i could see as a possibility as well if they have made the mistake of underestimating arenanet. Of course if this scenario does play out as suggested then GW2 may yet be able to top WoW even if all it does is steal customers from ncsofts other games since there are more players of ncsoft mmo's than there are wow players if you combine all of there game account numbers. On top of that the roughly 750,000-one million players who have been jumping ship from WoW to check out other games when the new ones lately have been released(those who have been hoping for something good yet different who are bored of WoW). And then of course you have to consider that the game is likley to steal players from other non-blizzard/ncsoft games as well.
As for Aion, in korea it has already set 2 records for a game release in terms of beta player numbers, as well as the highest player retention rate of a game going from beta to retail(over 90%).
Nailzzz
Post Time : Dec 02,2008 1:01 am

 For those of you who believe that WoW's success is due to low hardware requirements, i have a brief list of games who have roughly the same minimum requirements or less that i was able to find relatively quickly.

 City of Heroes/Villains, Eve online, Everquest, Final Fantasy 11, Guild Wars, Lineage1/2, Maplestory, Neverwinter Nights, Phantasy Star online, RF online, Star Wars Galaxies, The Matrix Online

 The information is based on the minimum requirements as of each games last expansion where aplicable. Im sure there is a world of other f2p games im probably missing, but this was done in a hurry.

Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 11:43 pm

13 years of accumulated Warcraft lore and fanbase. Compatibility with lower-end computers and Mac PCs. I wouldnt try to take on that even if I were some geek Korean tycoon. I'm not a WoW supporter but I find it impossible to deny the facts and neither do I lie to myself.

Nailzzz replied at 12:15 am Dec 02,2008
Warhammer had a longer time to acumulate a fanbase. As a matter of fact before blizzard started warcraft, they had attempted to gain the warhammer license. If things had been just a little different everyone would currently be playing World of Warhammer. As for the low end computer deal, many mmo's are far less hardware intensive than WoW. As for mac compatible, you have a bit of a point there. Poor mac users didnt have many options before WoW. But now most mac users are running windows on there mac's anyway even if only for gaming.
poipanda
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 9:48 pm

Ridiculously Epic.

Nailzzz
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 8:59 pm

 Wow, so much defensiveness over my just writing a blog here. Im not rabidly anti-WoW. Let me just make that clear. I understand why people play it. It is accessable and familiar. So many people here are so tired of the WoW-killer argument, and i understand that. Ive seen a few here already but i figured that if i gave it a shot with a little more information than just "WoW sucks" that i may be forgiven for it. This Blog is simply an attempt to maybe help out those who have been let down with the recent rash of games that have promised to be better than WoW and yet for whatever reason were disappointed and went back. There are alot of people who play WoW who are waiting for something better but are getting discouraged by all the recent failures to do better. Look at the numbers of people WoW lost and then returned after AoC and WAR(around 1 million). Its is obvious people want something else. I just wish to give them hope. Not with how i feel about it, but with facts and reasoning about 2 upcoming games that i have some measure of faith in.

 Cut me a little slack here. This is my first blog and i had no idea it was going to be featured. I was honestly surprised anyone actually looked at it at all. I figured i would be lucky to get a guest comment saying "WoW-clone" or "WoW sucks" even though this really wasnt all about WoW. To those of you who actually gave your honest  2 cents on the actual subject matter of the blog: Thank you. To those of you who Just wanted to gripe about there being another "WoW/WoW-killer" blog(yes i saw the other newer featured blog, made me chuckle): Its a damn blog. You didnt have to read it.

Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 8:00 pm

And yes, A big reason why WoW won't be killed/die is because a lot of the people have outdated computers......

In about a year or so the prices on new PCs will get cheaper and there will be a wave of new players coming to higher graphics games

Plus WoW gas 10 million subscribers........even in a year when PCs cost less you can't completely stop WoW from continuing it's business. WoW would most likely have at least a couple million players after all of this happened.

Nailzzz replied at 1:03 am Dec 02,2008
I dont think that WoW going out of business is at all realistic and no company is foolish enough to consider anything they do capable of that. It is more about topping WoW's subscriber numbers as a more likely goal for upcoming games.
Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 6:46 pm

I think blade and soul will do the most damage to wow if anything. Just because something is played by the most players doesnt mean its the best game. They just have a huge fanbase who like the simplicity of the game.

Nailzzz replied at 1:04 am Dec 02,2008
Admittedly blade and soul does look intriguing, shame we will have to wait till 2009 at the earliest to see about that one.
Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 3:08 pm

Every good thing comes to an end and it's just a matter of time before blizzard sucks it's last penny out of the WoW noobs who pay for crap. Eventually blizzard will pull the plug when they know they can't go any further with WoW. And when that day comes i'll be laughing and dancing on the ashes of WoW and saying "i told you so" to all you WoW fanboys who thought WoW would last forever. Brace yourself fanboys because it's gonna happen and when it does you wont know what to do because you don't think outside the box and try new games. You'll be stuck playing the WoW card game just to hold onto lhe last memories of what once was.  I'm tired of seeing articles from people comparing games or saying "which game will beat WoW" it's lame. There will be a game who will come along and beat WoW, plain and simple, it happens, every good game before it was eventually passed by another.  And if your wondering, yes i played WoW briefly and i found it very boring, slow and crappy, i've been gaming since atari and pong and never before have i played a game worse then WoW.  To sum it all up, if fanboys want non-fanboys to stop talking crap about WoW, then stop with all these pointless blogs and articles and saying everything is a WoW Clone.

 

WoW=World Of Wussies

Nailzzz replied at 1:05 am Dec 02,2008
I miss pong. At least it had class balance.
Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 12:28 pm

I no longer play WOW.  Who cares about topping WOW anyway.  The next MMORPG that actually delivers on their promises and is immersive, casual friendly, with a meaningful storyline, may compete with WOW.  The problems with the genre is they are all hyped and promise the world and deliver crap.  Truly a formula for failure.

I hope some developer comes up with a good MMORPG that does not cater to everyone.  EvE is a good example of a game that is great in the niche market.  I hope more companies can deliver.

 

kit21
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 12:12 pm

You cant overtake WoW.. do you want to know why? even tho there are better games out there now.. the only ppl who will play them are ppl who have NEVER played WoW(or didnt pay to play it anyway) simple reason is cuz they have nothing to lose.. every one who has put all there time and money into WoW dont just wanna say.. "oh well a new game is out.. so i might as well drop this game that i spent who knows how much money and time on" They just dont wanna give that up, and they dont wanna start all over at lvl 1 on a game that they dont know and dont wanna re-learn every thing for that game.

Its as simple as that. Only ppl in the new generation or ppl who never paid for WoW will play the other MMO's coming out.

Nailzzz replied at 1:08 am Dec 02,2008
You may have a point on this one. My first MMO was asherons call 2. If it hadnt been for turbines terrible treatment of there players, i would have continued playing it till they sadly shut it down a couple yrs ago. It may just take something along those lines to snap alot of WoW players out of it.
Nailzzz
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 9:59 am

 Sorry about that lushy, my previous post wasnt directed at you. It was for the guest who posted just before you. Though your point is well taken about adding pop culture references. I could have swore i had actually seen an article on aion about how the game would be slightly different depending on the region you lived in due to the inclusion of such pop culture references, but now im having trouble tracking down the interview where that was mentioned.

Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 8:35 am

There are already lot of better games then WoW.  It's just that nobody likes to open their mind out of WoW.  It's all the Mac user's fault for making people closed minded since that is the only greatest game they ever have for the Mac so they make it seem more as if it's the greatest game alive which it isn't.  They need to seperate the Mac users from the windows users then you'll see which mentality sticks to WoW.  

I've seen a lot of windows users switch from WoW, and don't consider WoW the greatest, but when it comes to Mac people they make it seem like it's the shit because that is the only mmo that is worth playing.  Then they have that cool mentality, and start bragging how great it is just how they brag how great Apple is.

See there was a huge trend back when WoW started then it started fading like other mmos then it came to Mac it went up again.  Now you got these artsy fartsy elitist taking over, and making it seem a huge deal then it should.

Nailzzz replied at 1:11 am Dec 02,2008
Well, im not sure if there is any way to prove your theory. I imagine a nice chunk of WoW players are on mac's but it would be difficult to prove how many. I understand mac's are stable and all, but with gaming, you would have to be crazy to pay the inflated mac prices for hardware that you would need to run some of the more resource heavy games. Replacing any parts on a mac will usually run you 4 times what it would cost on a pc. Gaming on a mac in light of that just doesnt seem smart to me given all the upgrades to play games over time.
pauL11686
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 3:36 am

One day a game will rise up to overtake WoW. There is no denying that. It could be tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year. People just don't like the thought of leaving WoW for another game with all the money they've spent playing it. It'd be a waste. Who knows, Aion or GW2 may be WoW's kryptonite.

Guest
Post Time : Dec 01,2008 3:20 am

It has zero chance to overtake WoW. Zero.

Nailzzz replied at 1:12 am Dec 02,2008
Based on?
fenzlyr
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 11:54 pm

I like your insights on this issue. And also the responses from most people. Unlike most topics about WoW and other mmos, yours does make sense, and doesn't receive as much nonsense as the rest. If only more gamers could think twice about the issue of WoW and its competitors instead of just going "Its just another WoW fanboi article", gaming would probably be more fun.

This article also hits the spot and the weaknesses and strengths of each game, so keep up the good work! ( :

Nailzzz replied at 1:12 am Dec 02,2008
Thank you for the kind words.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 11:03 pm

Ummmmm. I'm bored of WoW already

Invasion
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 10:10 pm

WoW will gradually become obsolete. However it will live on as a legend, just like Diablo 2. And then one day Blizzard will unveil a successor and reclaim all of its fanbase, just like Diablo 3.

Nailzzz replied at 1:13 am Dec 02,2008
Assuming blizzard is done pissing off all there old diablo 2 fans and that they will forgive them for screwing with them this far.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 10:00 pm

Interesting read, from the early days of devlopment it was said that the game was being developed by western devs using eastern art.  So I am not sure if people are just now catching on or not but that was the state of the game.  Now they released it in korea first for the same reason that Blizzard is releasing starcraft 2 there. 

While american's love our gaming Koreans obsess.  So the idea is to have koreans test certify and bless the title.  Korea, is the new proving ground of gaming.  So it should be no suprise that a company like NCSoft with a large korean presence is showcasing AION there first.  All of the stuck up american's first crowd are joking right.  Most games coming out right now from AoC to Warhammer are doing better outside of NA than they are in NA. 

The casual gamer crowd that bought into wow and are not gamers by nature are not going to be swooning over anything new at this point.  Publishers are learning this the hard way.  WoW is what it is due to pop culture making it that way.  WoW got plenty of news coverage and one heck of a marketing campaign behind it.  Until publishers follow suit and market their games in NA out side of gamer circles they will continue to fail.  So NCsoft knows it;s market and knows a successful launch in korea means really that success in NA is just icing on the cake as they will most likely be financially secure with a korean success and then can bankoll an aggressive campaign in NA.

Anyways, a wow killer I doubt it.  The only game that might have a single chance at that would be bioware.  If they can make a mainstream star wars title they can unseat the king.  Let's just hope they don't listen to the hardcore crowd cause ultimately their numbers are too small to make a game financially viable anymore.

Nailzzz replied at 1:58 am Dec 02,2008
Im kinda glad that the Koreans are test driving the game for us. Should mean that the games major bugs will be worked out by the time we recieve it here. Wont suffer the same troubles most of the other games are having at launch here.
But your right, this game will require alot of advertising just so people know it exists. Isnt bioware a game company? Are they releasing a new star wars mmo? I know that the sony one didnt turn out so well. Largely sony's own fault with bad customer treatment from what ive heard.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 7:57 pm

Alright, no i dont have an account but my name is Jeremy. From canada, hold me accountable for this.
Ok, yes World of Warcraft is good, not great, but good. Mostly due to the amount of people on it. Personally i prefer to just hang out and chill, maybe raid. That's it. Perhaps the mass amount of people playing it feel the same way, so hypothetical situation: We take the number of people playing down to 100. Game fails. No one will argue that. The only way you can truly call a game god is if it will succeed with a limited amount of players strictly for the gameplay. Now i havent seen any videos or pics for Aion, but i have and play GW. Great game with a large amount of possibilities in terms of expansion. So right there GW2 has my vote, but the fact remains, we'll have to play it and see for ourselves.

To the author, great blog. You have included every arguement and idiot the gaming world has to offer. Interesting read and i like your take on this new game. To all the WoW gamers who posted rediculous and ultimately annoying posts, go back to your cheetos and coke and watch more videos of WoTLK. Leave the educated people of the gaming realm alone. Props :)

Lushy
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 7:06 pm

I know the game is out in Korea already. I'm not talking about that lol I'm talking about how it'll be hard/very hard for an imported game to overthrough something that has a big following over here, with references we can understand and a sense of American Made. People don't play WoW for the visually stunning or the epic tale anymore, they play because it's familar and deep rooted into everyday. Sure, WoW has that epiccally long, rather jumbled story line, but the Warcraft games that were out previous to the online game is what brought in the original fan. The newer fans play for the community, the pop culture, and bragging rights. Don't get me wrong. I don't even like WoW. I rather play the Asian games, but there are things that I understand a hell of a lot better on WoW then twice translated games that are based on a Chinese Myth (throwing out an example here) that I never heard about.

Nailzzz
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 5:28 pm

 Actually the game is already out in korea for 1 and people dont seem to be really complaining much about any of the things you just brought up.  2: The cost of Aion hasnt yet been released for north america, but even if the price is the same, it still puts it at the same mark as just about every other p2p mmo on the market currently. Seriously guys, your just grasping at straws to find a real flaw here. Its painfully obvious. But ill give you credit. At least you had something that might have been a real criticism if it were at all true. Its better than half the comments here which just say im wrong without giving me a single reason why.

Lushy
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 5:27 pm

What's with all these guest post. People don't have the backbone and balls to actually make an account and be held accountable? Well, no, I forget this is the internet and feathers get ruffled from just saying the word "WoW' Moving on, actually, I doubt WoW can be toppled with a new game. It would have to be a game that has gained a lot of ground over a large period of time, and it's hard to expect an imported game, Aion being from Korea just like Lineage or Final Fantasy being from Japan, to over throw WoW's hold in America. WoW has made point not just to be an Middle-Earth type of Fantasy game, but also to put in Pop Culture and spoofs of things people in the states can understand, IE, Swamp of Sorrows is from Neverending Story, Haris Pilton in Shat, Lincoln the lost Gnome in a green tunic...things like that.  It's entertaining to point and laugh at things like that.  Just like FF has a fantanic teamsters Union in Japan from it not only being from there, but that's what they grew up with, the same for us here. To be 'dethroned' as it were, WoW would have to be overrun by another American/EU game that has to have a good long term place in the market, constantly offer 'new and better', and have a fanatical following like how all these WoW fanboys get their panties in a bunch over little of nothing.

Nailzzz replied at 1:53 am Dec 02,2008
If FF11 would have put more effort into marketing here in NA, i suspect we would all be talking about the next FF killer. The Final Fantasy series was huge here fore quite some time. It is a shame that they didnt try to push the game a bit more.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 4:35 pm

lol..again with the wow killer...i'm going to tell you why Aion is going to kill itself off!  They went greedy and overprice the monthly cost to the customer..soon ppl will notice that the game isn't worth the price they are paying and the game will die off like Warhammer or AoC or any other that had chance of going big but failed lol..

I admite that the graphic is a killer on Aion but how is the gameplay, the drops rate, the exp, the PVP the community..all those fact we dont know about could break any game that is out or yet to come out!

Nailzzz replied at 1:50 am Dec 02,2008
You do realize WoW charges the same monthly fee right?
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 2:05 pm

Runescape would destroy WOW if it got better graphics. ALOT of people play it already, its just cause it looks like something from 1986 that no one wants it. But if you look at All the things you can do in runescape and the system they run, it would be an awesome mmo if a bigger company took it and polished it.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 1:10 pm

And im going to give you a few reasons why Aion wont be taking down anything. One, graphics, Aions graphics are spectacular yes, but NOT EVERYONE HAS THE COMPUTER TO RUN IT! This is where most game companys go wrong with their games. They limit their playerbase to those who have money to upgrade or buy new computers and who can afford top of the line hardware. Wereas World of Warcraft is still playable with a 5 year old computer. My computer is older then dinosaur shit and i can run WoW, why would i pay to play a game i know i cant run? I wont i will continue to play the games i know i can run and not waste my time or money. Another thing is Story/Gameplay > Graphics any day of the week, so yea have fun with Aion, im sure its going to get super hyped like WAR did and fail like WAR has.

Nailzzz replied at 1:49 am Dec 02,2008
Wow. Does anyone own a computer here that wasnt put together in the 90's?
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 1:03 pm

Aion wont do a damn thing. I only reason why Aion is being even considered is because they made there gameplay more like Western MMORPG's instead of sticking to the crappy Asian/Korean MMORPG formula which fails

Nailzzz replied at 1:47 am Dec 02,2008
And thats not a good thing? you know, not trying to fail?
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 10:06 am

lol i think the mayans predicted the ending of WoW in 2012 rofl

sdhf
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 8:20 am

AION FTWWWWW. i know ima be playing it 

Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 5:47 am

Me and my friends all played WoW,,,now we ALL play Shaiya. It is darn near the same thing, and free. its a MMORPG that has questing, dungeons, pvp, and gvg(guild versus guild) all in 1. Everyone should check it out. Free to download, and free to play. You can purchase things from the site, but i am top level, and never spent a penny.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 5:35 am

Aion was the discussion topic right????

I just wanted to understand that. Then  it became a comparison.

How can you people justify a game using one popular game.

How many MMO's are actually out there.

Nailzzz replied at 1:45 am Dec 02,2008
Well, this topic had several games involved. Aion being among them. Sorry it got so off track but its a blog not a published article.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 2:26 am

WOW is an overrated piece of craps,hell even Runescape is better

Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 1:42 am

YOu should change the title to "Why Wow Will never be beaten" and rewrite the whole thing over you noob

Nailzzz replied at 1:44 am Dec 02,2008
Wow. Thanks for the insight.
Nailzzz
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 12:55 am

I should probably clarify this now since it seems to have been missed in my starting post. I DONT HATE WoW. Im lucky enough to have not been interested enough in it to play it much beyond its beta. I have friends that play it to the sad exclusion of many other games out there. But ive watched them play and ive listened to them go back and forth about it. But i dont hate WoW. The people who really hate WoW are the ones who played it for some time and then had the unfortunate circumstance of dealing with blizzards staff. I have very little respect for blizzard due to how they treat there customers. It honestly just makes me sad how much they get away with. Any of you who have been keeping track of the diablo 3 WoW graphics controversy knows what im talking about.

 Blizzard released in game pictures and video of d3 and it looked alot like WoW with the cartoony graphics and alot of people expressed there disapointment with there choice of art direction for the game. Most of the old diablo fans preferred the darker atmosphere of the earlier diablo games. A petition for a darker game was even sent to the company. Blizzards responce?... The decided to add rainbows to the few dark areas left in the fist stage. Basically it was a big middle finger to there fans. These werent just random potential customers that blizzard chose to treat this way. This was there already established fan base who were looking forward to another diablo game. This was blizzard biting the hand that feeds them. And they have grown incredibly smug knowing that it wont matter how badly they treat there fans.

 Ive taken a look at aion's minimum spec's needed to play and they arent very high at all:

 Cpu: pentium 4 2.8gig or amd 2800

Ram: 1 gig

Graphics card: nvidia geforce6600 or amd radeon X1550 with direct X9

 And many people reported running the game during the korean beta on less than the stated minimum. As f

Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 12:46 am

Gw2 wont kill WoW (totally different population base then WoW)... Aion Surely wont kill WoW ... If anything will DRASTICALLY reduce the population on WoW will be another Blizzard Title ... Diablo 3 ... Announced and in the works... And you know Blizzard after the subscription success of WoW, Diablo 3 wont take after the previous Diablo games with free online play Battle.net will Stay free but Diablo 3 accounts will just be linked to an account you need to charge or link paid cards too... 10 Years of waiting may have Irked many of the population of Diablo2 fans but they ALWAYS pop back in and play some more then fade away then do it all over again

Nailzzz replied at 1:43 am Dec 02,2008
I can promise you. If Blizzard tries to charge monthly for online Diablo 3 play, The diablo 2 fans wont be back. I would dare blizzard to pull that stunt. As it stands due to what i described earlier Blizzard is already on thin ice with there diablo fans.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 30,2008 12:21 am

WoW Is Super Mario Clone~

Nailzzz replied at 1:39 am Dec 02,2008
Yeah, Im tired of these 40 man Bowser raids.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 10:23 pm

The real question is  : Why WoW or any other popular mmo has to beaten?  Can't everyone play the game they like.  Why everyone has to play same mmo?

Nailzzz replied at 1:38 am Dec 02,2008
No. You there, you must cease enjoying playing whatever mmo you are playing atm and start playing maplestory WITH NO ACCESS TO THE CASH SHOP,mwahaha.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 8:01 pm

Just like every MMO out there, they will dwindel away in Time, I dont think WoW will die because of another game, I think it will die in time, and become outdated, and then Blizzard will come out with another major success and make a new standard in MMO's once again, 10mil+ subscribers says alot about a game, and They are obviously doing something right.

But you have all these rediculous haters bashing a game, WoW may not have been for you, doesnt mean it sucks, I couldnt get into WoW myself, but it's obviously a good game.

As for Aion, it will be another Let-down, You will find out when you play it, that the graphics are good, but it still has that same feel of (insert game name here), all mmo's are originated after another, so theres bound to be plenty of similarities.

Aion will not kill WoW.
GW2 will not kill WoW.

WoW will die on its own, without help, for all we know Blizzard is working on a new exciting MMO, or remodeling WoW.


So seriously cut the shit, about this > wow, or wow > this, Every game is better then some games in it's own way, wether its from gameplay, or community.

Nailzzz replied at 1:36 am Dec 02,2008
I dont think people are really let down by playing similar mmo's. People seem to be comfortable with what there already familiar with and i think that drives alot of us that try to encourage people to try out other games crazy.
personally im trying to recreate the feeling i got when i started playing Diablo 2 some time ago. Some games seem to bring me back to that, but they are rare.
Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 7:23 pm

Guests and people that said that Aion is not more than just graphics, you guys are actually dumb -.- just accept it, like the author said "WoW looks cartoony, you get tired of grinning mobs..etc.." and he's right, because i tried the 10 days free trial and in 2 hours i got really freaking BORED of it, i play guild wars, and i can tell you is very good but it will not be as good as Aion, that's for sure...

To the author: Your blog is very interesting, i see your point. Don't mind these sore losers who write "this guy must be insane,and etc.." they just don't want to admit defeat and reasoning... geez.

10/10 to this blog hun

Nailzzz replied at 1:32 am Dec 02,2008
Thank you for understanding.
gamerXtreme
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 3:57 pm

Why ppl always bring up WoW? Trust me its not that bad sure the graphics are okay but if its like AIon it will just be 5 years before it looks like crap. Also WoW is a decent game its not bad seriousily ppl on this site are such babies at times not thinking about why its successfull. I think its just because they can't afford it or they just go with the mindless flow.

MMO site community stop being such babies in the game. The community is becomming horrible always bring up WoW and stuff. PPL just talk about the game not weather its better than WoW 

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 2:58 pm

tbh I dont like WOW at all and I gree with you that WOW is too cartoony

thats the very reason I dont interested in that kind of game

having more ppl playing dont make it a great game a great game is a great where you dont have to even touch it but see that it is great and never get bored of it

the very reason that wow have many ppl playing it is becuase of a low requirement that makes ppl that have crap comp play it and I doubt ppl will play that piece of shit if the game need more requirements

face it ppl the fact is WOW is cheap thats why many ppl play it is not great

also Aion looks good and all but dont be fool by the cover if the inside is just a load of shit then its nothing but a good cover

GW2...I have no comment on this one because I'e no interest for this gameI saw some Graphic and gameplay...I dont see how ppl even think of playing a game like that...

another fact is no matter if its great or not or weather if its clone of another I dont see how this to be a problem

I think you guys should grow up some of you are even 30+ now its just a game...just play what you like and have fun

game is entertainment

dont cry about it around like a baby

you might feel strong when you beat up ppl in game but can you do that in real?

I doubt any of you guys are strong enough to take on a challenge in real

talk crap all you want ppl you're nothing but a gamer in real life

Nailzzz replied at 1:31 am Dec 02,2008
You saw in game video of GW2?!!? Gimme. or at least send me a link. Or ill talk crap about you in game because i can only beat you up in game or something like that.
Nailzzz
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 1:39 pm

 Perhaps i should clarify about a couple earlier points brought up. Ive seen some perfect world videos and the graphics dont even seem to compare to aion. While it looks good for a free game. So far aion is about the best ive seen yet.

As for the idea that WoW will be able to steal Aion's features as well, unfortunately WoW is kinda nearing the end of its ability to do so. Flying combat alone is going to be a bit more than WoW's 6 +year old game engine can be capable of in any balanced sense. They have done an excellent job modifying there game engine to do many things since they started, but the kind of flying combat to be found in Aion is probably beyond its limitations. They would be better off doing what Arenanet is doing for GW2 and scraping there game engine entirely to make a new one, But i havent heard any plans for a WoW2 or a WoD.

 Ncsoft In and of itself probably has no serious intent to kill WoW and the actual killing of WoW entirely is unlikely. People will continue to play it for some time after it loses the top spot and we will all still be hearing about it. For many people it was there first MMO, and as they say you never forget your first. But we can be sure that many members of arenanet are chomping at the bit to dethrone it as i wouldnt be the least bit surprised that having come so close already, they still wish to throw it in the faces of there former employers. Not saying this is a good reason to be motivated but it does make them passionate about making excellent games and with GW, they accomplished everything they set out to do when they created it. They made no promises they didnt keep. And with the little info that has already been released about GW2, Im quite excited about it (which includes low system requirements for minimum settings to play).

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 1:30 pm

this post is the supidest thing here
WoW isnt even fun to play i tried it and was hugely dispointed
theirs nothin fun about it

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 1:04 pm

Well i think as far as i read the features of aion, it has nothing new to offer that other games dont have, besides better graphics and flying battle system wich is a perfect world clone. Since not much info is released about it yet, i shall not shit on it, but i can really predict its future when it comes out, everybody will just call it a wow clone. Like the only original mmo ever released after wow is guild wars, and i think the release of guild wars 2 is going to be only true "assasination" of wow, and aion will just stay another me-too mmo "copying" wow. I cant wait for guild wars 2 anyway!

Nailzzz replied at 1:28 am Dec 02,2008
You may be correct about gw2 being the one rather than aion. Hell even if it isnt any better than WoW and is simply just as good (unlikely for arenanet to settle on that though), you would have to be an idiot to still pay monthly fee's when you can play the same thing for free. But i already know enough about GW2 to know that its features are going to put it head and shoulders above just about anything else out there.
shadowzx
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 11:21 am

First of all Mabiongi needs you to buy nx (cash) to get alot more powerful and when you don't buy the nx you willl fail in winning no point in playing a game that need you to use cash to be come strong.....

Well anyways i think Aion or Blade and Soul will take the throne

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 10:31 am

Hell, even MABIONGI has more content than WoW!

yeah, uh you know thats a lie.
 

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 10:19 am

I agree with the author, enildometal and GamerAqua. The guest who posted on Nov 29, 2008 9:03 AM is a moron. He/she just ADMITTED that WoW needs to leech off others to succeed. What a twat.

 

Anyway, back to it. Aion and GW2 will most certainly put WoW's MMO-Tail up. Despite the graphic requirement that will most likely be essential for both, there is one thing these two will have that WoW won't: Excellent gameplay. Besides grinding and repetitive questing, WoW has nothing else running for it. ow I don't know all the features of neither Aion or GW2, but I know for a fact that it will have more than WoW does. Hell, even MABIONGI has more content than WoW!

 

But the day that WoW get's de-throned is the day the world returns to normality.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 10:17 am

You whana know the way to stop wow?? , STOP TALKING ABAUT WOW .

Nailzzz replied at 1:23 am Dec 02,2008
Why would we want to stop WoW? And even if we did i dont think that just because we give up the subject 10 million people are going to suddenly unsubscribe. But if you know something i dont....
enildometal
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 9:25 am

I hope. Stoping for wow alienation for the mídia, for a best world and best games.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 9:03 am

who ever started this topic is a lil insane in the  brain good thing alot of pointless commotion hasnt began over this topic.. 2nd of all Aion canot beat wow ,wow will have every avalable game feature aion has and more(besides the graphics, and  character costomization).......Aion will end up like tabularasa in america over time but it will thrive in  asaia

Nailzzz replied at 1:21 am Dec 02,2008
WoW has flying and aerial combat? WoW blizzards been holding out on me. Must be scheduled for when there next expansion is released after you get to lvl 100.
GamerAqua
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 7:01 am

I think WoW can be beaten in time yes but a main reason for WoW's success is that its low requirements make it easy for everyone to play and enjoy it, me for one, can't even try to play Aion my computer is horrible(I can't seem to find the specs for it, so I am just going off of screen shots.) once it becomes cheaper to get a better computer for most people, I am sure WoW could be beat by another game, but I doubt any game will ever "Kill" it maybe steal a few million people from it, and have more subscribers but don't think they'll take every subscriber.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 6:30 am

Aion will not beat WOW not because is not good, but because NCsoft is not interested in beating anyone. They just create mmos and what hapends, hapends. The ridiculouseley big amount of mmos out there make it almost imposible to beat WOW, people just have too much choises. Blizzard focused on one game and they made it big, NCsoft is focused on 10 games at onese and that in my point of view is a failure if you want to beat WOW, BUT and again BUT NCsoft only wants subscribers, and if they can manage to have an avarage of 1-2 million players on their 10 games, then they beat Blizzard but not WOW.

diange
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 6:14 am

Well i think you should not look at will wow be beaten, because this has nothing to do about wat is better, its just the players choise to see wat game is good. I know there are alot of mmo's out there look at runescape or silkroad, they existed long before wow and alot of players are still playing it. Game developers need to make games with their hart and not thinking will we beat wow. Wow is a great game and even if it gets old people will still play it, just like all other old mmo's out there.

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 5:23 am

@Guest:

accept the reality, WOW will NOT last forever! there will be games better than it and better compared to it, there is no use spamming such nonsense like "What a loads of bullshit"
 

Guest
Post Time : Nov 29,2008 5:15 am

What a loads of bullshit

Nailzzz replied at 1:17 am Dec 02,2008
Thanks